Utterly Stupid Stupid Table Problem

4WebHelp Addict Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 1060

http://v9.bluesweb.co.uk/stadium/portmanroad.php

Think it's easy to see whats wrong, but could someone tell me what is wrong with the code, I'm using includes for everything apart from the main body, about 75 pages seem to have no problem, but this one does have one, despite me not having anything dodgy in the file :

Code:

<? require ("../includes/meta.html"); ?>

<title>BluesWeb.co.uk -& The Stadium -& Stadium Information</title>

<? require ("../includes/header.html"); ?>

<? include ("../includes/sidebars/stadium.html"); ?>

<td width="671" align="left" valign="top" height="14">

&<img border="0" src="../images/stadium_portmanroad.gif" width="409" height="25">




<img alt="Architect's imression of the new North Stand" src="../images/photos/portmanroad.jpg" border="0" width="393" height="200"> 
 
Artists Impression of Portman Road 
&<table cellpadding="2" border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" cellspacing="0" width="0" height="0">
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#0000B1" colspan="2">
 
 Ipswich Town - The
 Pride Of East Anglia </td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Ground</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 Portman Road</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td vAlign="top" bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Address</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 Ipswich Town Football Club 
Portman Road 
Ipswich 
Suffolk 
IP1 2DA</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Phone No</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">(01473) 400500</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 TEAMtalk No</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 09066 168 819 (calls cost 60p per
minute)</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Ticket Office</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 (01473) 400555</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Capacity</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 30,000</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Away Allocation</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 3,000</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Disabled
Allocation</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 30 spaces + 50 seats for home fans,
6 spaces + 14 seats for away fans, in Britannia Stand. One helper
admitted per disabled person, helpers pay £12 with disabled fans
admitted free.</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Facilities For
The Blind</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 Seats available
with commentaries</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Record Attendance</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 38,010 v Leeds United - FA Cup Round 6</td>
</tr>
<tr class="data">
<td bgcolor="#E6E8FA">
 Pitch
Measurements</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
 112yds x 72 yds</td>
</tr>
</table>

<? require ("../includes/footer.html"); ?>

Team Member Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Posts: 2564

This is what's wrong, you're fixing the width, and it's too large:

Code:

4WebHelp Addict Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 1060

Hmmm, Just noticed that.......

BUT, it's on every other page, and doesn't happen, which is what doesn't make sense.

4WebHelp Addict Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 1060

Thanks anyway, That Narrows the bugs with the new version down to 11.

Team Member Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Posts: 2564

Sorry, I don't follow you anymore. What's still wrong with it?

Junior WebHelper Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 49

I am inferring that the problem is the huge gap between the two tables. Is that what you mean, Justin? What I did was to take out the inner table and see if it looked okay on its own and it didn't. The table wasn't noticeable until you scrolled down the page quite a bit. So, then, I remembered s.thing fr back in my dot-com days how MSIE can distort the appearance of tables if things are on separate lines. So, I tried as much as possible to put TDs and TRs on the same line. For testing I took out the costmetic stuff and so this is what I got the table to look like:

<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1"><tr><td align="center" ="#0000B1" colspan="2">Ipswich Town - The Pride Of East Anglia</td></tr><tr><td ="#E6E8FA">Ground</td><td ="#FFFFFF">Portman Road</td></tr>
<tr><td>Address</td><td>Ipswich Town Football Club Portman Road
Ipswich Suffolk IP1 2DA</td></tr>
<tr><td>Phone No</td><td>(01473) 400500</td></tr>
<tr><td>TEAMtalk No</td><td>09066 168 819 (calls cost 60p per minute)</td></tr>
<tr><td>Ticket Office</td><td>(01473) 400555</td></tr>
<tr><td>Capacity</td><td>30,000</td></tr>
<tr><td>Away Allocation</td><td>3,000</td></tr>
<tr><td>Disabled Allocation</td><td>30 spaces + 50 seats for home fans,
6 spaces + 14 seats for away fans, in Britannia Stand. One helper
admitted per disabled person, helpers pay £12 with disabled fans
admitted free.</td></tr>
<tr><td>Facilities For The Blind</td><td>Seats available with </td></tr>
<tr><td>Record Attendance</td><td>38,010 v Leeds United - FA Cup Round 6</td></tr>
<tr><td>Pitch Measurements</td><td>112yds x 72 yds</td></tr></table>

My guess is that if you keep the TRs and TDs as much as possible on the same line even when you add in the cosmetic stuff and nest the table, there shouldn't be a huge gap.

Hope this helps.

-- php4ever

Team Member Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Posts: 2564

Wierd.... I don't see any huge gap in the first place...

What browsers are you using Justin & php4ever? I myself am actually using IE 5.5...

Junior WebHelper Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 49

I originally saw the huge gap with MSIE 6.x. Tonight I browsed same code with MSIE 5.5 and there was no gap. Looks like this may be more a case of bizarre browser behavior rather than utterly stupid tables.

Incidentally, here's a tip that I learned 1/2 a dozen dot-coms ago, when tables used to drive me bonkers. A co-worker suggested that to debug things, turn on the borders and brightly color in the tables and TDs in contrasting colors.

-- php4ever

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 6:59 pm (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Looks like this may be more a case of bizarre browser behavior rather than utterly stupid tables.

microsoft strikes again Very Happy

4WebHelp Addict Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 1060

IE 6SP1 is the buggiest browser there is, I'd say the broken image bug in that is the worst and most annoying of all time.

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:29 pm (21 years, 2 months ago)

broken images? care to elaborate?

4WebHelp Addict Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 1060

Look for the post dated :
Posted: Jan 27 2003, 11:35 PM

And follow the discussion down at :
http://www.freedom2support.net/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=599

Team Member Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Posts: 2564

Heck, fourth day using IE 6 (I only just managed to install it - before that it would claim it couldn't connect to the Internet when it tried to install Rolling Eyes

) and I've already run into the bug you mentioned. What a pain in the *** Exclamation

4WebHelp Addict Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 1060

Daniel wrote:

Heck, fourth day using IE 6 (I only just managed to install it - before that it would claim it couldn't connect to the Internet when it tried to install Rolling Eyes

) and I've already run into the bug you mentioned. What a pain in the *** Exclamation

You installed SP1 didn't you? Laughing

you only get that with SP1 versions of IE6

Team Member Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Posts: 2564

I installed what I had Evil or Very Mad

Is there any alternative? (other than going back to an older version of IE)